Qatar’s Growing Influence in the United States Transcript

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Sarah: Good afternoon, and welcome to another topical and timely EMET webinar. Qatar has been a topic of conversation in the 18 months since October 7^th 2023. It has been in the news a great deal this week in particular. Qatar, is a tiny gas rich country situated between the Persian Gulf in the east and Saudi Arabia on the south. As you will hear today, Qatar’s vast gas wealth has been used to fund many American universities, including Georgetown, Harvard, Cornell, Northwestern, University of Michigan, Texas A&M, and Carnegie Mellon. Qatari money is also funding US public schools from kindergarten through 12th grade and American think tanks, politicians, and other people of influence. Qatar has given Hamas billions and billions of dollars and it funds and supports the highly antisemitic and anti-Zionist, Al Jazeera. It harbors the leaders of Hamas in Doha, and has supported Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. Qatar also maintains excellent ties with the Taliban and with Iran, as well as with the United States.

A 2022 report by the Network Contagion Research Institute, identified Qatar as the most significant foreign donor to American universities. Research revealed that from 2001 to 2021, the US received $13 billion in funding from foreign sources, with Qatar contributing donations totaling $4.7 billion to universities across the United States. According to the report, the universities did not disclose these donations as required by US Law. In fact, the Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism and Law and former education Secretary Betsy DeVos, found that there are billions of dollars in unreported Qatari money at American universities. They established that foreign-donations from Qatar, in particular, have contributed substantially to rising levels of antisemitic discourse and campus politics at US universities. They have also contributed to growing support for anti-democratic values within these institutions of higher education.

The Qatari defense minister tweeted, “We are all Hamas”, and “We are all Palestine.” Qatar is ruled by an authoritarian government with Sharia law serving as the basis for most legislation there. 90% of the population are Sunni Muslims, and the remaining 10% are Shia. Qatar has also funded the Al Udeid Air Base, which houses 10,000 US servicemen and coalition forces.

Here to discuss all of this, is expert Claire Lopez. Claire has a weekly blog with One American News Network, Newsmax and Sky News, and is founder and president of Lopez Liberty LLC. She is an expert on international and Islamic law, and has done a great deal of research on the Muslim Brotherhood and their Marxist collaborators in this country. She has a very extensive bio which would take a long time to cover. Claire completed the Marine Corps Officer Candidate School in Quantico, Virginia before declining a military commission to join the CIA.

First of all, Claire, can you explain what Qatar is trying to achieve by spreading its wealth across the United States?

Claire Lopez: Well, thank you so much, Sarah and EMET for having me, and also thanks to all of you who are watching today and those who may watch on YouTube later on. This is an extremely important topic, Sarah, and I appreciate your highlighting it. The situation in the Middle East right now is on the edge and this is a very appropriate time for us to focus on Qatar and its overall role in the chaos.

In early February, the Department of Justice under Attorney General Pam Bondi, issued a new memorandum establishing a task force called the Joint Task Force 10-7. The memo is short, only a couple of pages long, and it explains that the purpose of the Task Force is to provide support for the families of the victims of October 7^th, including Americans, Israelis and others. Bondi is using the Office of the Attorney General to go after those who support Hamas in the United States and are under US jurisdiction. The focus is especially on university college campuses in America. The Department of Justice also established another task force called The Task Force to Combat Antisemitism. The wonderful civil rights attorney, Leo Terrell, was put in charge of that one and he is a fantastic choice. So, the university campuses in America are at least part of the focus for each of the task forces, especially that of Leo Terrell. I will focus on them first, but there is a lot more to discuss, and I do promise to leave enough time at the end because I figure some of you at least will want to ask some questions.

So, I took note that the authority of the Department of Justice is being used to go after those who support Hamas. Hamas, of course, is listed on the state department foreign terrorist organization list. Providing support to Hamas is called material support for terrorism, it is against the law and it is a violation. Pam Bondi and Leo Terrell talk about going after those who support Hamas in America, and it is in the reach of their authority. It occurs to me that they are not just going after Hamas supporters on our campuses, but after those in our think tanks, law firms, lobbyists, media and so on. I suspect if they are truly serious about these task forces and about pursuing investigations, they might lead them in directions they did not expect and maybe did not even specifically intend. I think their investigations will lead them to Qatar and Turkey.

I am going to mention Turkey in addition to Qatar. Turkey is, of course, a full NATO member which cannot be kicked out of NATO. NATO is a treaty organization, founded after World War II and Turkey and many other European countries became members. At that time, no one dreamed that there would ever be a need to downgrade or to expel a member. As such, there is no provision in the NATO treaty for either downgrading or expelling Turkey. The best that can be done to deal with them would be to deny them information and to hold back sharing of intelligence and information. By the way, we certainly should not sell them any F-35 fighter jets.

Qatar is considered a major non-NATO ally. Sarah mentioned that we have that great big air base at Al Udeid, which Qatar pays for. So, it is a two-way relationship in which we are both caught.

All right, so I will begin with our campuses. I will start with Qatar and then we will talk about Turkey as well. All through last year, we witnessed chaos on many US campuses including all the universities Sarah mentioned. A couple of key Muslim Brotherhood front groups were involved in the bedlam at all of them. The Holy Land Foundation Trial concluded in 2008. It was a terror funding trial with leaders of the Holy Land Foundation accused of providing material support for terrorism. The organization is now defunct and five of its former leaders were convicted and are in prison. However, there is a list of over 200 unindicted co-conspirators on Steve Emerson’s website, the Investigative Project on Terrorism (IPT). In 2008, the US elected a new president. The prosecutors of the Holy Land Foundation trial had tied up the cases against all the other 200 plus individuals and groups but the new administration declined to prosecute. They did not want to go after CAIR, the Muslim American Society (MAS), Muslim Public Affairs (MPA,) and/or any of the other involved groups. As a result, none of the unindicted co-conspirators were prosecuted.

The Muslim Brotherhood has an umbrella political group in America called the United States Council of Muslim Organizations (USCMO). That is the name of its website too and it refers to the Muslim Brotherhood’s political organization umbrella group in America. If you go to that website, you can find a listing of all its founding members. Their founding members include a group called American Muslims for Palestine (AMP). AMP is an organization founded by a lecturer at the University of California Berkeley named Hatem Bazian. Again, a founding member of the USCMO, obviously a Muslim Brotherhood front group on the list that we spoke about. You can find it again at IPT.

Both AMP and USCMO maintain a very close relationship with Turkey. AMP is close to the Turkish ruling party co-founded by the Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who is under a bit of pressure right now. Erdoğan’s ruling party is called the Justice and Development Party in English. Its Turkish acronym is AKP and it is a Muslim Brotherhood party. Anytime you see a similar party name, even in a different country like Egypt for example, you should be aware that it is a Muslim Brotherhood Party. We have seen photographs of all AKP, AMP and USCMO members together, all over social media and the photos of them speak for themselves. AKP and USCMO have been to Ankara many times. Most recently, the CEO’s Secretary General, Oussama Jammal, was pictured over there. So, we are aware of that relationship.

The campus branch of the AMP, is Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP,) which has recently expanded under the name, National Students for Justice in Palestine (NSJP). It was founded by Hatem Bazian out of UC Berkeley, California. The campus branches of the SJP or NSJP, as well as the Muslim Students Association (MSA), are on that list of unindicted co-conspirators too and they are very actively promoting support for Hamas on campus. The MSA is another Muslim Brotherhood affiliated group.

You will notice that I never use the word Palestine or Palestinian. They do not exist, never have, and hopefully never will. There are Arabs and Muslims who live in Gaza. We can call them Gazan people, or the Gazan population. There are Arabs and Muslims who live in Judea and Samaria, and we can call them Arabs and Muslims in Judea and Samaria. All of them came from some other place around the region, be it Syria, Lebanon, Jordan or Egypt. Certainly over 80% of the population in Gaza is of Egyptian heritage. That is where they, their parents or their grandparents came from. They are not the indigenous people of Gaza. If anything, Gaza is the homeland of the Israelites, the Jewish people. In the Tanakh, Moses, Aaron, Joshua and the whole group fled from Egypt during the Exodus. There were actually multiple groups, not just one. They passed through and some settled in Gaza. Gaza has been Israelite Jewish since time immemorial, 3,500 years ago.

There are those on our campuses who have caused chaos. They have occupied campus property, damaged buildings, smashed windows and harassed, intimidated, attacked and assaulted Jewish students. You will remember that scene in the House of Representatives when Elise Stefanik questioned the university presidents from MIT, Harvard, and University of Pennsylvania on antisemitism on their campuses. Elise Stefanik is a wonderful representative who will now be staying in New York to keep our razor thin majority in the House of Representatives. She will no longer be going to the UN even though she was nominated as UN ambassador. By the way, it looks like perhaps David Friedman, former US Ambassador to Israel, could be among the top contenders for ambassador to the UN.

In any case, last year, Elise Stefanik asked the three university presidents whether “calling for the genocide of Jews” was considered bullying and harassment according to their codes of conduct. All three of the university presidents responded. “Well, it depends on the context”. No, it does not depend on the context. Anti-Semitic and pro-Hamas calls may not only contravene university regulations, they may also be considered material support for terrorism. So go get them, Pam Bondi and Leo Terrell. I would like to note that since being questioned, the presidents of Penn and Harvard have resigned.

Families of October 7^th victims and others filed a lawsuit against SJP about a year ago. The lawsuit argues that the SJP network of campus groups was established by Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood for the purpose of “providing material support and resources to Hamas.” The alleged material support in the lawsuit involves “Facilitating intimidation tactics and coercion policies on college campuses across America.” What is left unsaid, though, is that the two centers for the Muslim Brotherhood Global Network are Qatar and Turkey.

As I mentioned, Erdoğan, the Turkish president, was co-founder of Turkey’s ruling party. He has ruled Turkey since 2002 and has been very openly pro Hamas throughout. By the way, it appears Turkey is establishing a base of operations in what was known as Syria. Turkey may even be carving out a piece of the carcass there. In any case, the Muslim Brotherhood per se does not have a chapter in Turkey, but it does have a very strong relationship with Erdoğan and his party. Many Muslim Brotherhood figures who have fled from other places and now live and work in Turkey. These include Hamas members who fled places like Egypt when they got kicked out by the military regime of Abdel Fattah El-Sisi. They have been allowed to establish foundations, schools, and businesses in Turkey. In March of 2024, Erdoğan declared that Turkey stands firmly behind Hamas. This is not some behind the scenes accusation. He says these types of things out loud, openly and repeatedly. In May of last year, Turkey announced that it was suspending all trade with Israel. So, if you are going to track and investigate the backing and funding for the antisemitic Jew hatred groups listed by MSA and SJP on campus, you must include Turkey in that investigation.

I mentioned that the Attorney General established two task forces. The Attorney General’s memos detailing the establishment of these two different task forces, do not mention the countries of Qatar or Turkey. They simply state they are going after those supporting Hamas antisemitism on campus. If they conduct the investigations properly, however, they will lead directly to Turkey and Qatar and I am happy to help them with this.

Qatar has long been what I would call the ‘home away from home’ for the Muslim Brotherhood. It is home for people who fled places like Egypt which was, by the way, the birthplace of the Muslim Brotherhood. It was founded in 1928 by Hassan al-Banna and his fellow college students. You may recognize the name Yusuf al-Qaradawi. Yusuf al-Qaradawi was the senior top juridical scholar of the Muslim Brotherhood for many years. He was also chairman of the International Union of Muslim Scholars. Al-Qaradawi made Doha, the capital of Qatar, his headquarters from 1997 when he got kicked out of Egypt. He remained in Doha until his brief return to Egypt in 2011, and then moved back to Qatar where he passed away in 2022.

Now, al-Qaradawi hosts a weekly, wildly popular TV show on Qatar’s flagship Arabic language media outlet, Al Jazeera. He hosted that program for many years and it had millions of viewers each week. Al Jazeera extends its reach outside of Qatar and across the Middle East and has broadcast branches in the West as well. Al Jazeera is owned by the Qatar Media Corporation. As Sarah mentioned, Al Jazeera has been used for decades to propagate jihadi narratives by Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Muslim Brotherhood. The lawsuit filed in the federal court in DC, on behalf of those October 7^th massacre victims and families, highlights Al Jazeera’s “collusion with Hamas.” It includes interviews with Hamas leadership figures who the lawsuit claims helped “spread propaganda, recruit activists, and incite violence”. Qatar is the base of operations, the headquarters for the International Union of Muslim Scholars.

For decades, Qatar has been a key financial supporter of Hamas, the Gazan Islamic Brotherhood terror group, Hamas. Hamas is the Gazan branch of the original Muslim Brotherhood. Qatar hosted the political leadership of Hamas in Doha for many years. We are all familiar with Ismail Haniyeh who made that unfortunate trip to Tehran in July 2024. He was supposedly staying in a protected neighborhood surrounded by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) when someone managed to have a bomb placed underneath the bed, inside his room in Tehran. He went to meet his virgins on July 31^st of last year. Haniyeh was not the only Hamas leader that lived in Doha and some like Khaled Mashal and Khalil al-Hayya still do. Abu Marzouk can be found one Emirate over with cushy digs in Abu Dhabi.

Although there have been reports that some Hamas leaders relocated to Turkey, I am not sure about that and it appears they may still be living in Qatar. We would think that Qatar’s influence would be known, understood, and resisted in the West, and certainly here in the United States, but we would be mistaken. The same is true for Turkey. Qatar has an immense influence among US universities, colleges, lobbyists, think tanks and law firms, never mind the media. Unfortunately, some of the media has been literally bought and paid for by Qatar. It is hard to understand why their influence has not been curtailed given the litany of information available connecting them to terrorism.

A released Israeli hostage recently reported that one of his Hamas captors told them that Hamas was coordinating with “allies on US college campuses and in the media.” The lawsuit that we have talked about, cites data showing Qatar has poured over $6 billion into US universities in the past decade. They are the largest single foreign donor to American academia, and the universities are not living up to their obligations to reveal the extent of foreign funding.

Pam Bondi, Attorney General, please pay attention. Sarah reeled off the names of universities like Harvard, Georgetown, Northwestern and others that have accepted funds from Qatar. Many have even established satellite university campuses in Doha. With funding, comes strings. They have allowed pro-Hamas, pro-Muslim Brotherhood narratives into their Middle East studies programs. They created their curricula at the urging of Qatar.

The US relationship with Qatar is deep and longstanding. We mentioned the Al Udeid Air Force base in Qatar. The influence and benefits from that base goes both ways but I would say that Qatar takes advantage of those arrangements to pose as a US ally while playing a real double game. As Sarah mentioned, Qatar is a peninsula off of the eastern side of the Arabian Peninsula, jutting out into the Persian Gulf, right across from Iran. Under the waters of the Persian Gulf, there is a humongous natural gas field which Iran and Qatar split down the middle. They exploit that gas field jointly and there is lots of coordination going on there between them. Problems with the Saudi Arabian government make Qatar very useful in exerting influence between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Qatar, as we know, has also been very involved in negotiations over release of hostages, which to a certain extent has been successful. This places the United States in a difficult position.

I have a few other updates to provide. I wanted to mention the March 8^th Tucker Carlson interview with Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani. Al Thani is Qatar’s ruling clan. That interview has been pretty widely criticized, and I think rightly so. Carlson was accused of allowing a whitewash of Qatar support for jihad and for the Taliban. Before we pulled out from Afghanistan, negotiations between Taliban and United States representatives took place in Doha, but Qatar supports Hamas and it supports the Muslim Brotherhood. So have a look at that interview with Tucker Carlson, if you have not done so yet.

Marco Rubio, our new Secretary of State, is really going after Hamas supporters in the US, especially these student protestors who are here on F1 student visas. They are foreign students, not Americans. He has already revoked over 300 visas during January, February, and March of this year. That means those students may not remain in the United States anymore. F1 visa holders are subject to deportation if they were involved in vandalizing university property, taking over and occupying campus buildings and harassing or assaulting Jewish students.

There was a new lawsuit filed at the end of March by the National Jewish Advocacy Center and the law firm of Greenberg Traurig and Holtzman Vogel. The lawsuit was filed in the New York Southern District court against Within Our Lifetime and its leader Nerdeen Kiswani, against Columbia SJP and its representative Marianne Awan, against the Columbia Barnard Jewish Voice for Peace Organization and its representative Cameron Jones and against Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD) and its lead negotiator, Mahmoud Khalil. The lawsuit alleges violation of the Anti-Terrorism Act and the Law of Nations in that they provided material support to terrorism, to Hamas. That lawsuit is the right way to go after these people.

The different groups I just named, handed out toolkits urging support for Hamas. That is material support for terrorism and it appears SJP was very involved in all of it. Mahmoud Khalil of the CUAD, was arrested in early March and slated for deportation, but an activist judge is trying to oppose it. President Trump has withheld $400 million from Columbia University and this is another example of the kinds of actions that can be taken.

On a final note, I wanted to mention ISGAP. ISGAP is the acronym for Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism and Policy led by Dr. Charles Small. That group did the tremendous research behind the end of March, US House of Representatives Bill, that was passed out of the House. The bill is called Defending Education Transparency and Ending Rogue Regimes Engaging in Nefarious Transactions (DETERRENT.). It bars schools from contact with China, Iran, North Korea and Russia and lowered the threshold for reporting foreign contracts and gifts, from $250,000 down to $50,000. That is important. Charles Small and ISAP’s work is tremendously important. They published a report called Foreign Influence and anti-Israel Bias in K through 12 Classrooms. Sarah mentioned that it is very much worthwhile looking up.

I know I have covered multiple topics in a very short time and there is much more I could say but let’s leave some time for audience questions.

Sarah: Thank you so much. That was a great overview of everything going on in this space. All right. Some of the questions from our audience have to do with Qatargate. Qatargate, as you know, is actually an investigation of some of the people in Prime Minister Netanyahu’s office. They appear to have been on the take from the government of Qatar. A judge has recently ruled that the Netanyahu aides Yonaton Urich and Eli Feldstein will remain in custody until tomorrow, Thursday. The charges against them include transmission of classified information, contact with a foreign agent, bribery, breach of trust, and tax offenses. The Prime Minister himself was questioned, but there have been no charges against him personally.

Some of the other questions from our audience have to do with the fact that we are deporting people from MS-13 and other groups. Why are we not also investigating people involved with SJP?

Claire: Of course, we’re also going after MS-13, Mara Salvatrucha Trese, the gang from El Salvador and Tren de Aragua. Tren de Aragua was originally a Venezuelan prison gang but it now has a presence all over the United States. Together with MS-13 and Tren de Aragua, cartels like Sinaloa, Zetas and Golfo, have all been designated as foreign terrorist organizations. Tom Holman is a fantastic Borders Czar and Kristi Noem is the new director of the Department of Homeland Security. Sarah Carter is the recently named drugs czar. They will go after narco-trafficking amongst other things.

I was very hopeful when I saw the two memoranda I discussed coming from the Department of Justice in early February. I was encouraged because they specifically discussed investigating, and going after, groups like SJP. They are groups that openly committed crimes on campus, vandalizing campus property, occupying buildings and rooms and so forth. They are also harassing, attacking and assaulting Jewish students. More than that, they are handing out protest toolkits which I hope will be pursued as material support for terrorism.

We are hopeful that the two new task forces will really go after those supporting terror on campuses because they are very active right now. They might calm down a bit over the summer, but that is not guaranteed. I hope they go after these people now, and for their past actions as well.

Sarah: Okay. We received several questions about Steve Witkoff and Pam Bondi and their ties to Qatar. It appears they may not be objective because of those ties. We know that Steve Witkoff had a hotel and was bailed out by Qatar when he went bankrupt and we know that Pam Bondi was a lobbyist for Qatar. Is there any way these ties can be investigated? What are your thoughts on this?

Claire: I believe both of them are genuinely committed to upholding the laws of the United States. What I am concerned about is that they and their staff may not fully comprehend the realities of the Middle East. I could not build a hotel to save my life. Similarly, they do not have an in-depth understanding of the Middle East, Islam, jihad and Sharia law in the way some of us do. I regard both of them as sincere, committed, honest patriots but I think they need additional information that might help them to deal more effectively with parties and governments in the Middle East.

We are intertwined with Qatar in so many ways, including the Al Udeid airbase and the hostage negotiations, which we discussed. I can understand why a US envoy cannot tell the Al Thani’s in Qatar that they are terrible, that they are the Muslim Brotherhood and that we hate and want to destroy them. He cannot do that and then ask them to work on releasing the hostages. He has to find some way of discussing things with them without pounding them over the head with hostility. In a way, I think that puts Steve Witkoff in a difficult position. That said, I also think he would benefit from a briefing on the Middle East, the history, what the Muslim Brotherhood is, and why we think they are a problem in Qatar. It would be helpful for him to understand more about what Jihad and Islamic law is.

Does he know that under Islamic law, it is actually obligatory for obedient Muslims to lie to infidels? It is written in the books of law. I read Islamic books of law, there is one right here in front of me and it states it is obligatory to lie to infidels. I think Wikoff is a very good and sincere man but I do not think he is fully informed. I would love to provide briefings and additional information to the people we discussed above.

Sarah: Yeah. We are in a very tough position. The Qataris gifted the Al Udeid Air Base to the United States but they have ties to Hamas. We cannot have ties to a terrorist organization and so we rely on the Qataris for the negotiations with them but I believe we should be better educated on who we are dealing with. As you said, if there is an opportunity to educate them, we should do it.

We received another question about the universities. I have done a lot of work in the field of anti -Israel education on university campuses, going back many years. In 1978, Edward Said published his book Orientalism, which spread to the Middle Eastern studies programs, to the humanities and to the social sciences. At times, we even see a prejudice against Israel in the hard sciences. The proteges of Edward Said were people like Rashid Khalidi, Joseph Massad, and others and they spread anti-Israel incitement.

I wrote an article recently about the break-up of talks at Camp David in 2000. Elyaḳim Rubinshṭain, the Attorney General of the state of Israel, came to address our group and spoke noted that Yasser Arafat was offered most of Judea and Samaria, all of Gaza, and shared sovereignty of Jerusalem. Arafat walked away from the table without accepting or declining the offer. After that, Rashid Khalidi wrote a book called Resurrecting Empire. It is used as a textbook across the United States. In the book, Khalidi asserted that what Israel offered was so minuscule, it was laughable. This is a complete distortion of the truth and provides a great illustration of how facts been distorted in this arena.

On my bookshelf, I have a book called The Arab World Studies Notebook by Audrey Shabbas. It has reached millions of junior high, and high school students. It is an extraordinarily anti-Israel curriculum guide. There are inherent biases in our education system, and teaching hatred for Israel is now trickling down from colleges and universities to children in kindergarten through 12^th grade. As an example, in learning the poetry of Mahmoud Darwish, young children are learning to be anti-Israel. Do you have any ideas of what can be done to fight against the teaching of bias against Israel?

Claire: Yeah. As you say, Sarah, that anti-Israel influence has really spread throughout our academic system. The disestablishment of the Department of Education will help get some of those curricula back to the state and local levels where they belong. Once that authority returns to the local level, we all can have an impact by voting for local school boards we want. We should also pay attention to what our children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews are learning. What are they studying? What do their textbooks teach them? We will be able to impact the curriculum once education is returned to the local level but it puts additional responsibility on all of us. We have to stay on top of the curricula in our local schools.

Sarah: Right. I would like to recommend to parents that they examine what their children are being taught and what extracurricular activities they are being asked to engage in. If you care about preserving the state of Israel, American democracy and Western values, please try to engage other parents in and talk to your local schools about this. It is really important.

Claire: I will add one more thing about what has been happening at the university level. I would like to thank the House of Representatives, and members like Elise Stefanik, for holding so many hearings dealing with campus antisemitism. Thank you to them for revealing on live TV, what is going on at some of those places. Alums of those universities might want to engage with the alumni offices to let them know that donations will not be forthcoming unless and until they take the steps necessary to ensure a safe, a fair learning environment for all students. They must be required to end the antisemitism and Jew hatred campaigns on campus. They should be told the alumni will get together and will not donate until changes are made.

Sarah: Right. We know that the Qataris and their vast gas wealth can out dollar us but I do think the steps you described are helpful. Another audience member asked if you are aware of Legal Insurrection founded by Cornell Law Professors? They have been investigating antisemitism, DEI and related topics for some time?

Claire: Yes, absolutely. You can go online and find them and their cohorts. You can find the toolkits that they have put out on the internet for use by students to have an impact on their campuses.

I want to mention one more thing about what many of us call the Red-Green Axis. Red refers to the Communist Marxists, and Green is for Islam, including Muslim Brotherhood front groups and others. We have not really talked much about the ‘Red’ part of the axis. In January of 2024, there was an event called March 4 Gaza. Their website shows the entire list of the groups that supported and signed as ‘signatories of support’ or something like that. That list includes communist organizations like Revolutionary Communist USA (Revcom USA), Communist Youth of Washington, DC, World Workers Party and the Freedom Road Socialist Organization. They are all communist organizations and they are working side by side with these Muslim Brotherhood groups that we may be more familiar with. It is worth looking it up. Last time I looked, the information was still available online.

Sarah: Okay. On October 7^th most sane people in the United States, and certainly most Jews, were in deep mourning. By October 8^th, SJP had posters ready to be hung on college campuses. They encouraged people to attend pro-Hamas demonstrations where these young students seemed to have more information about the events of October 7^th than Israeli intelligence and the Israeli military. SJP and National Muslim Brotherhood Associations seem to have been aware of what was to happen on October 7^th and that is being investigated. If they were not aware of what was going to happen on October 7^th, they certainly produced the posters very quickly and they were able to distribute them to SJP groups on campuses around the country.

Claire: Yeah, absolutely right. I saw that too. There are many questions for which I do not have the answers. By the way, I just found a website advertising the March on Washington, this coming Saturday, April 5^th. You can find it by looking it up online and searching for, ‘March on Washington, stop the genocide, 1:00 p.m. Washington, DC.’ I will bet you dollars to donuts, you will see the exact same Red-Green-Axis groups involved, as we saw back in January 2024.

Sarah: Thank you so much, Claire. This has been amazing. Next week we will host Sinan Ciddi, a Turkish expert from the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. We are going to delve even further in Erdoğan’s connections to the Muslim Brotherhood and what can be done to circumvent the threats this presents.

As Claire mentioned, the DETERRENT Bill passed the House and still needs to be passed by the Senate. Please call your senators and ask them to please pass the DETERRENT Act. As we discussed, it lowers the threshold for university and college reporting of foreign donations from $250,000 to $50,000. It is really important for us to have transparency about how foreign governments are funding our universities and our K through 12 educational programs. Claire, it is always, always a pleasure to deal with you. Thank you so much for coming on.

Claire: Thank you for having me. Thank you to all of our listeners and viewers.

Sarah: To our audience members, EMET needs your support. Please donate to us at www.onetonline.org  so we can keep operating and keep informing our members of Congress on Capitol Hill. Also, please vote for Slate number 19 for the World Zionist Congress. EMET will be represented there if we get enough votes. Thank you so very much. Thank you so much, Claire.

Claire: Thanks, Sarah.

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